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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 14:16:35 GMT -8
I think I Could Never Be Your Woman did some good business there mainly due to her popularity. Or was it in Spain? Here and in Spain. Personal Effects was also released in cinemas here. THAT makes me jealous...I'm one of the few pfans who likes Personal Effects...such a beautiful film n I woulda liked to have seen that film in cinemas.
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Post by ramses on Sept 17, 2017 14:29:55 GMT -8
It could never be your woman, it premiered in Spain and although it seems strange they were more people than Dark Shadows. Mother's advertising campaign started two days ago. the trailers are broadcast on several television stations in the country. But it is also true that digital media such as newspapers, or magazines only speak of the failure of Aronofsky. I have seen several reviews (in Spanish) about the film and you do not hear or read anything good. it may seem unbelievable. But the only good thing that is spoken in the reviews is the performance of Pfeiffer. Everyone here speaks compliments. And also something of a scene with a green bra? Hahaha. The premiere here will be on September 29th.
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 17, 2017 14:44:03 GMT -8
Here and in Spain. Personal Effects was also released in cinemas here. THAT makes me jealous...I'm one of the few pfans who likes Personal Effects...such a beautiful film n I woulda liked to have seen that film in cinemas. I liked it the first time I saw it. Bought the DVD a few years back, got home, played it and didn´t like it that second time. I should give it another chance.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 15:04:19 GMT -8
THAT makes me jealous...I'm one of the few pfans who likes Personal Effects...such a beautiful film n I woulda liked to have seen that film in cinemas. I liked it the first time I saw it. Bought the DVD a few years back, got home, played it and didn´t like it that second time. I should give it another chance. My best friend picked up the blu-ray for me, which is even more stunning!!
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Post by crissy on Sept 17, 2017 20:31:32 GMT -8
Got the chance to see it finally and must say that I really loved it. Understand the criticism of it though disagree that this is misogynistic. I truly think this was a portrait of how religion and society has treated females plus how wrong it is. Also about how society builds up god like people -aka- celebrities and the downside. For me it was as well about the repeated warnings about mistreating earth but we keep doing it. Just lots to think about but I loved it alot. It sounds weird to type I love a movie where they do crazy stuff like in the ending but the symolism and messages came through to me. Michelle P. was perfect of course! If anybody should be angry about low screen-time it is Ed Harris fans, he had nothing to do/
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Post by LaPfan on Sept 18, 2017 1:00:24 GMT -8
Film won't come out here until Wednesday. Should I watch it? A lot of "WTF!?" reactions flying around, but is it the good kind? As for Michelle's Oscar chances, is it possible that even with $0 spent on campaigning, she can be recognised on merit alone? From what I'm hearing of her performance, she just might get through if that's the case. Critically speaking, The Danish Girl has the same score on Rotten Tomatoes, and Eddie Redmayne and Alicia Vikander were nominated. So if any backlash to mother! doesn't totally bury it, maybe Lawrence and Pfeiffer can, too? Plus, there have been commercial flops that have won Oscars, like Blue Sky. Wishful thinking, I know...
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Post by michaelh on Sept 18, 2017 3:36:13 GMT -8
I can't see Paramount spending money on an Oscar campaign for a film that is performing so poorly at the box-office. Why would they add to their losses? However, if the film performs well outside the US - and it might - then, they may reconsider. I didn't like the film but I loved Michelle's performance. She deserves a nomination in my opinion unless there are better supporting performance that we haven't seen yet.
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2017 9:21:45 GMT -8
Film won't come out here until Wednesday. Should I watch it? A lot of "WTF!?" reactions flying around, but is it the good kind? As for Michelle's Oscar chances, is it possible that even with $0 spent on campaigning, she can be recognised on merit alone? From what I'm hearing of her performance, she just might get through if that's the case. Critically speaking, The Danish Girl has the same score on Rotten Tomatoes, and Eddie Redmayne and Alicia Vikander were nominated. So if any backlash to mother! doesn't totally bury it, maybe Lawrence and Pfeiffer can, too? Plus, there have been commercial flops that have won Oscars, like Blue Sky. Wishful thinking, I know... Yes, you should see it. I think it's worth it. And she could get back in the race if she gets some critics awards and also gets out there and campaigns her butt off, but she might just feel it's a lost cause.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 18, 2017 9:39:56 GMT -8
Well she's never been all that motivated when it comes to press, let alone campaigning, so I can't see that changing w this...
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2017 10:13:32 GMT -8
Well she's never been all that motivated when it comes to press, let alone campaigning, so I can't see that changing w this... I read an article a few years ago in the NY Times or USA Today, don't remember which, that stated Pfeiffer was campaigning HARD for White Oleander in 2002 behind the scenes. They said she was at a lot of events and in particular went to some retreat or ranch with a lot of Academy members to campaign and mingle. She wanted the nomination bad and almost got it, they said she probably came in 6th in voting that year. I think in years past she was just a sneaky campaigner. With that Vanity Fair article with Oscar buzz for her before 'mother!' came out and the one in the Telegraph, I think she has a much different PR/managment team now that will really go all out for her if she's in the race and she's probably more open to campaigning publicly now. I never thought I'd see her to the "Actors on Actors" thing with Variety, but that certainly helped her get that Emmy nomination.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 18, 2017 10:20:10 GMT -8
Well she's never been all that motivated when it comes to press, let alone campaigning, so I can't see that changing w this... I read an article a few years ago in the NY Times or USA Today, don't remember which, that stated Pfeiffer was campaigning HARD for White Oleander in 2002 behind the scenes. They said she was at a lot of events and in particular went to some retreat or ranch with a lot of Academy members to campaign and mingle. She wanted the nomination bad and almost got it, they said she probably came in 6th in voting that year. With that Vanity Fair article with Oscar buzz for her before 'mother!' came out and the one in the Telegraph, I think she has a much different PR/managment team now that will really go all out for her if she's in the race and she's probably more open to campaigning publicly now. I never thought I'd see her to the "Actors on Actors" thing with Variety, but that certainly helped her get that Emmy nomination. Wow, if that's true, I'm surprised, but happy that she went to those lengths. I'm still bitter bout that cuz I never thought Zeta-Jones should have been in there!! Damned Weinstein!! It would be great if she still had that same desire in her now tho... Maybe you're right bout her PR team. All the publicity has been a blessing n is really helping her I too feel. Here's a write-up on Vulture bout her work in mother! Honestly, it's only Vulture, but this is a phenomenal piece!! Love or hate the film, this really explores Michelle's contribution to the film n should be read by fans, detractors of the film, members of the Academy n EVERY voting film critic!! www.vulture.com/2017/09/michelle-pfeiffer-is-the-mvp-of-mother.html?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s3&utm_campaign=sharebutton-t
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 18, 2017 11:35:19 GMT -8
LOVING the statement made by the head of marketing regarding the mother! backlash!!
“This movie is very audacious and brave,” Colligan said in an official statement, defending the film against audience backlash and the muted box office. “You are talking about a director at the top of his game, and an actress at the top her game. They made a movie that was intended to be bold. Everyone wants original filmmaking, and everyone celebrates Netflix when they tell a story no one else wants to tell. This is our version. We don’t want all movies to be safe. And it’s okay if some people don’t like it.”
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Post by Pfeiffer-Pfan on Sept 18, 2017 12:04:32 GMT -8
A wonderful article... I really feel like the industry are pushing for her in all regards. Her narrative is building... she just needs to find the right role.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 18, 2017 12:11:46 GMT -8
A wonderful article... I really feel like the industry are pushing for her in all regards. Her narrative is building... she just needs to find the right role. I feel that too. indiewire has written so much coverage bout mother! I feel...they seem to be really behind it
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Post by michaelh on Sept 18, 2017 14:29:15 GMT -8
The MVP article from Vulture is wonderful! Thanks for posting.
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2017 12:38:17 GMT -8
I think I Could Never Be Your Woman did some good business there mainly due to her popularity. Or was it in Spain? Here and in Spain. Personal Effects was also released in cinemas here. Hope you and your loved ones are safe in Mexico after that big earthquake today.
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 19, 2017 12:44:58 GMT -8
Here and in Spain. Personal Effects was also released in cinemas here. Hope you and your loved ones are safe in Mexico after that big earthquake today. So kind of you! I´m just fine and so is my family. It was a big earthquake indeed.
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Post by Admin on Sept 19, 2017 12:52:19 GMT -8
Hope you and your loved ones are safe in Mexico after that big earthquake today. So kind of you! I´m just fine and so is my family. It was a big earthquake indeed. Glad to hear Isn't it the anniversary of the really big one years ago? Crazy how that stuff happens.
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 19, 2017 21:46:21 GMT -8
So kind of you! I´m just fine and so is my family. It was a big earthquake indeed. Glad to hear Isn't it the anniversary of the really big one years ago? Crazy how that stuff happens. Yes, 32 years ago on the 19th of September there was an earthquake as well. I know, it´s damn crazy, isn´t it?
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 20, 2017 6:51:00 GMT -8
Very!! My friend has family there. I texted her to see if she's heard from them, but she hasn't responded...glad u n your loved ones r ok!!
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Post by roald on Sept 20, 2017 8:06:59 GMT -8
I'm so glad that MP took part in this project. She's getting so much press and so much praise. This one from The New Yorker: "Pfeiffer gives the best performance; sly with sensual mischief, she alone brings a whiff of the worldly-wise." However, I must admit that personally I'm a bit stressed about seeing the film this week. I'm going by myself next weekend.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 20, 2017 8:26:51 GMT -8
I'm so glad that MP took part in this project. She's getting so much press and so much praise. This one from The New Yorker: "Pfeiffer gives the best performance; sly with sensual mischief, she alone brings a whiff of the worldly-wise." However, I must admit that personally I'm a bit stressed about seeing the film this week. I'm going by myself next weekend. I know!! It's been so great to read the praise she's been getting via twitter every day!!
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2017 9:24:55 GMT -8
I'm so glad that MP took part in this project. She's getting so much press and so much praise. This one from The New Yorker: "Pfeiffer gives the best performance; sly with sensual mischief, she alone brings a whiff of the worldly-wise." However, I must admit that personally I'm a bit stressed about seeing the film this week. I'm going by myself next weekend. Honestly, thinking about it, the only stressful part for me had to do with laundry etiquette, Lol. Pfeiffer is fantastic, you're gonna love her parts.
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2017 13:38:56 GMT -8
Here is that TIFF Q&A that someone posted earlier but in much better quality, you can actually understand what they're saying, a few mentions of Pfeiffer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVYAsS2YBN8And here is another TIFF Q&A from the second screening where he talks about the characters names not being mentioned in the film, who Harris and Pfeiffer are really playing, so you might consider it spoilery if you haven't seen the film yet: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEkV2JOeMYQ
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 21, 2017 19:45:26 GMT -8
I´m just counting down the hours to watch "mother!" Just 14 hours and 15 minutes to go.
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 22, 2017 8:55:27 GMT -8
Only one hour to go. Can´t wait!
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Post by roald on Sept 22, 2017 10:44:20 GMT -8
OK, guys. I've just seen mother! And I'm still processing a lot. I guess these are my first thoughts. First of all, I now understand why the majority of critics and the regular moviegoer seem to be divided into two groups. The former mostly praising it (mother! got a 5 star in one of the biggest news papers here in Iceland and there was a huge photo of MP) and the latter disliking it. mother! simply feels like an art-house film, something you would much rather expect coming from Europe than Hollywood. And maybe because your average cinema-goer is usually not used to those kind of films and wouldn't go see them they're giving mother! a thumbs down. Some getting very upset and even walking out of the film. That actually happened when I went to see it, there were a couple of people who stormed out during intermission - and seemed very angry. Maybe people also feel like they've tricked, because of the trailers and the A-list cast. A cast that a lot of people rather associate with mainstream cinema and not art-house or indie films, even though both Harris and Bardem have certainly starred in very arty films and Lawerence too (Winter's Bone, one of her best parts) and more recently MP with Where is Kyra? Personally, I like the film. I wouldn't give it 5 stars. Maybe three and a half. But I think its good. Especially the second half of the movie - yes that's right people, the part when it goes "totally bonkers", the part where some critics say that the film goes of the rails I really think the cast does a good job. I don't understand the bad reviews JL is getting from some critics. I think people are just too used of seeing her play heroines and touch cookies and therefor have a hard time seeing her do anything else. I for one, really liked her in this. I think she gave a great performance. The same goes for MP. It's definately her best part in years. She's good in this. Like REALLY good. There were even a couple of times when she managed to make me feel uneasy. The dynamic between her and JL is great! Do I see an Oscar nomination? Not sure about that. But, remembering she got an Emmy nod for Wizard, something I didn't see coming since her role her in that movie is so small I'm not going to rule that out. Bardem and Harris are both good, with what they're given. I wish I'd seen more of the Gleesons. Going back to the reactions I can understand why some people don't like the movie, however I just don't get all the drama. People storming out. Calling the film garbage. Feeling violated after seeing it. Etc. Maybe, I'm just too used to seeing different kind of films that this one didn't shock or offend me. I could easily watch it again. What I am still processing has more to do with the films message, the allegory, the subtext etc. And I think that's something that people will be talking about for years to come (and the strong reaction to the film as well). So again, I'm glad that MP did this film, cause people are going to remember her for it. Now, I wrote this very fast so its a bit of a rant and since English is not my first language, there are probably typos etc which you'll have to excuse. Anyways, I just want to say, if you haven't seen mother! then go for it. Even if you don't like or understand the film itself I think you're still gonna like MP's performance - she's very good in this one.
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Post by Admin on Sept 22, 2017 10:57:25 GMT -8
OK, guys. I've just seem mother! And I'm still processing a lot. I guess these are my first thoughts. First of all, I now understand why the majority of critics and the regular moviegoer seem to be divided into two groups. The former mostly praising it (mother! got a 5 star in one of the biggest news papers here in Iceland and there was a huge photo of MP) and the latter disliking it. mother! simply feels like an art-house film, something you would much rather expect coming from Europe than Hollywood. And maybe because your average cinema-goer is usually not used to those kind of films and wouldn't go see them they're giving mother! a thumbs down. Some getting very upset and even walking out of the film. That actually happened when I went to see it, there were a couple of people who stormed out during intermission - and seemed very angry. Maybe people also feel like they've tricked, because of the trailers and the A-list cast. A cast that a lot of people rather associate with mainstream cinema and not art-house or indie films, even though both Harris and Bardem have certainly starred in very arty films and Lawerence too (Winter's Bone, one of her best parts) and more recently MP with Where is Kyra? Personally, I like the film. I wouldn't give it 5 stars. Maybe three and a half. But I think its good. Especially the second half of the movie - yes that's right people, the part when it goes "totally bonkers", the part where some critics say that the film goes of the rails I really think the cast does a good job. I don't understand the bad reviews JL is getting from some critics. I think people are just too used of seeing her play heroines and touch cookies and therefor have a hard time seeing her do anything else. I for one, really liked her in this. I think she gave a great performance. The same goes for MP. It's definately her best part in years. She's good in this. Like REALLY good. There were even a couple of times when she managed to make me feel uneasy. The dynamic between her and JL is great! Do I see an Oscar nomination? Not sure about that. But, remembering she got an Emmy nod for Wizard, something I didn't see coming since her role her in that movie is so small I'm not going to rule that out. Bardem and Harris are both good, with what they're given. I wish I'd seen more of the Gleesons. Going back to the reactions I can understand why some people don't like the movie, however I just don't get all the drama. People storming out. Calling the film garbage. Feeling violated after seeing it. Etc. Maybe, I'm just too used to seeing different kind of films that this one didn't shock or offend me. I could easily watch it again. What I am still processing has more to do with the films message, the allegory, the subtext etc. And I think that's something that people will be talking about for years to come (and the strong reaction to the film as well). So again, I'm glad that MP did this film, cause people are going to remember her for it. Now, I wrote this very fast so its a bit of a rant and since English is not my first language, there are probably typos etc which you'll have to excuse. Anyways, I just want to say, if you haven't seen mother! then go for it. Even if you don't like or understand the film itself I think you're still gonna like MP's performance - she's very good in this one. I thought the {SPOILER! CLICK ME IF YOU DARE!}killing and eating of the baby was totally not necessary, it came off like they were just trying to shock people for the hell of it, although I guess you could argue the baby represented Jesus? That's the only real issue I had with the climax. I found it to be a bit messy in it's message, it could have been done in a better way, but I agree it's not a bad movie. "Worst movie ever" is just ridiculous. There are far worse. I think the general audiences were expecting something very different, you're right.
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Post by roald on Sept 22, 2017 11:01:20 GMT -8
Yep, I think you're absolutely right about the "messy thing", i.e. the reference - what the director is implying there
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Post by michaelh on Sept 22, 2017 12:52:29 GMT -8
Roald, you've written a wonderful review and your English seems perfect to me.
I wish I liked the film more than I do. While I understand what DA was going for - and I agree with him on the environmental message - I thought the brutality in the last the last third was excessive and pointless after a while. Maybe he felt he had to violate the audience as much as humankind has violated mother earth to get his point across. If that is true, then he succeeded with me, because it felt like punishment. Which is exactly why I never want to see this film again except for Michelle's scenes.
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