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Post by dasadbd28 on Sept 16, 2017 11:11:39 GMT -8
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 16, 2017 11:13:11 GMT -8
The one great thing about this film is, Pfeiffer is getting a lot of praise, from critics and on Twitter from the general population. I'm not getting tired of scrolling through all of these tweets saying she stole the film, "Oscar worthy", etc. She really was tremendous in this and it sucks that bad box office and bad public reception will ultimately kill her chances of making it deep into awards season. She deserves it. It's just a marvelous performance. But the public doesn't decide that. Thank gawd!! If they actually had influence, Marvel would be ruling every Oscar season n Lawrence woulda taken home an Oscar for playing Katniss. They can make something commercially successful, true. But no one in the industry cares how much the public liked Casey Affleck in Manchester by the Sea or Viola Davis in Fences enough to decide whether or not they should vote for them.
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Post by ramses on Sept 16, 2017 12:22:43 GMT -8
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Post by Pfeiffer-Pfan on Sept 16, 2017 12:27:58 GMT -8
Well, I'm back from seeing... whatever the heck this was!
I think I need alot of time to process it, but it was definitely a hard watch. A confusing, unpleasant and slightly pretentious film that doesn't give the audience much to go on. Yes, I can twist some allegories out of it and I could rationalize it like 'this' or like 'that'... but if we have to work THAT hard to piece it to together, then Aronofsky should have screened this in his own basement and then be done with it.
I will say that the cast was excellent for the most part. It was a wonderfully shot and designed move, with excellent sound design. I think the lack of a score affected the overall suspense of the movie, but it was an interesting experiment. Harris, the two Gleeson's and Wiig are not given anything interesting to do... for that matter, neither is Bardem. Arguably, both he and Lawrence were slightly miscast in this.
All my friends hated it. One couldn't make it with us and wants me to see it with him tomorrow... I honestly don't know if I can stomach it.
Now on to Pfeiffer:
Stunning. She brought the film to life and was a JOY to watch on screen - a boozy, bitchy delight. Frankly, the movie needed her and when she left, the movie went off the rails for me. Is it an Oscar worthy performance? I just don't know, it's much too early to say. However, I do think she come out of this better than anyone else and is highly deserving of all the praise she has been getting. It just wasn't much of a character and I think that's what will do her out of a nomination. I hope she gets one, but at least she was the best part and people are really starting to notice.
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2017 15:18:35 GMT -8
Well, I'm back from seeing... whatever the heck this was! I think I need alot of time to process it, but it was definitely a hard watch. A confusing, unpleasant and slightly pretentious film that doesn't give the audience much to go on. Yes, I can twist some allegories out of it and I could rationalize it like 'this' or like 'that'... but if we have to work THAT hard to piece it to together, then Aronofsky should have screened this in his own basement and then be done with it. I will say that the cast was excellent for the most part. It was a wonderfully shot and designed move, with excellent sound design. I think the lack of a score affected the overall suspense of the movie, but it was an interesting experiment. Harris, the two Gleeson's and Wiig are not given anything interesting to do... for that matter, neither is Bardem. Arguably, both he and Lawrence were slightly miscast in this. All my friends hated it. One couldn't make it with us and wants me to see it with him tomorrow... I honestly don't know if I can stomach it. Now on to Pfeiffer: Stunning. She brought the film to life and was a JOY to watch on screen - a boozy, bitchy delight. Frankly, the movie needed her and when she left, the movie went off the rails for me. Is it an Oscar worthy performance? I just don't know, it's much too early to say. However, I do think she come out of this better than anyone else and is highly deserving of all the praise she has been getting. It just wasn't much of a character and I think that's what will do her out of a nomination. I hope she gets one, but at least she was the best part and people are really starting to notice. I agree with most of this, but I liked Wiig's role, it was shocking to see her do...that, Lol. And yes, the air really went out of the theatre and film when Pfeiffer exited. And I don't think that's my fan bias talking. It really felt that way. I think you should see it again, I thionk it's just one of those films that you have to watch more than once.
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2017 15:19:31 GMT -8
I just HATE how Trump fans think this is flopping because of their stupid little "boycott". They are so clueless.
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2017 15:22:22 GMT -8
Saw the movie last night with my wife and son. My wife found it the most horrible and disgusting film she ever has seen, my son hought it was a good movie and I really don't know how to rate this. Some scenes were very uncomfortable to watch and I was glad when the film came to an end. Michelle was good in it but a pitty that it was a small role. No more than 30 people where in the cinema and someone walked out. When we walked out of the cinema I heard a couple say it was disgusting and didn't understand a thing. Afterwards I've read a few explanations and reviews and that sure helps to understand it more. It makes that I appreciate this movie more, but I have to admit it's hard to watch. This movie is absolutely not for a main stream audience that's for sure! When it comes out on blu ray I'll definitely buy it because of Michelle but I don't know if I've ever will watch it again. I feel a lot of things went wrong here. Aronofsky and the team should have been talking openly about the messages in a clearer way leading up to the release. I get they wanted secrecy, but this film has a lot to it. Lawrence did start in recent days to talk a tiny bit about it being an allegory and the biblical messages, but she didn't expand on it at all. Paramount also made a mistake marketing this is a classic horror film. I get why they felt they had to, to capitalize on "IT", but people are missed, the trailers were VERY misleading, I think that's a big reason why audiences have revolted.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 16, 2017 16:10:03 GMT -8
I just HATE how Trump fans think this is flopping because of their stupid little "boycott". They are so clueless. I know!! This is just gonna make them more delusional than they already r!! Whatever...😒
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Post by michaelh on Sept 17, 2017 4:46:02 GMT -8
Hated it. Aronofsky went off the rails - I get what he's going after but the last third was a brutal assault that quickly became pointless. I wish I could unsee it.
Pfeiffer - brilliant acting - she had the passive aggressive, no boundaries thing down pat and she was hilarious in the way she kept baiting and belittling J-Law.
Other performances were strong and I give J-Law props for giving it her all.
I don't see how they could have marketed this film w/out being misleading. They had to present it as a horror film / Rosemary's Baby knockoff to get attention and then they had the challenge of enticing J-Law fans when she is playing a victim role. I don't know anyone who can market a self-indulgent, pretentious allegory to the mass public. Paramount must have realized the only way to make any money was to open it wide right after the film festivals, hoping some of the critics would love it and that enough J-Law fans would crowd theaters the first weekend to offset the negative buzz. That was their only shot at making some of their money back. No wonder the J-Law crowd slapped it with an F cinemascore.
Paramount will not fork out more dough to fund an Oscar campaign for this film IMO. If Michelle gets a nomination, it will be due to the strength of her performance and her reputation in the industry.
All that being said, Pfeiffer was terrific. As one of the critics said, it's her most vivid work in years. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Post by michaelh on Sept 17, 2017 5:13:55 GMT -8
Wow - would not have thought MP and EH would get this kind of money for supporting roles. Does this sound right to you guys? From Deadline: "Paramount has been in this situation before with 2012’s The Devil Inside which also earned an F (in fact that year had two more F grade films: the Brad Pitt gangster pic Killing Them Softly and Open Road’s Silent House). But with Devil Inside, Paramount was able to buck the audience reaction on that $1M budgeted genre pic and make loads of cash with a $33.7M opening, final domestic $53.3M and global of $101.8M. Many attribute that win to a massive TV spot spend. Mother! is a different beast at a reported $30M before P&A (some believe it’s much higher: Lawrence is known to get $15M alone with actors like Ed Harris and Michelle Pfeiffer earning $3M-$5M each). Oy vey. deadline.com/2017/09/it-stephen-king-movie-jennifer-lawrence-mother-dylan-obrien-american-assassin-weekend-box-office-1202170367/
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Post by Pfeiffer-Pfan on Sept 17, 2017 5:22:42 GMT -8
Didn't she get like around $5 million for 'Batman Returns'? With inflation, perhaps that's not such a large fee today?
However, I was thinking the $13 million budget was nonsense, with Lawrence attached. She does not come cheap.
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Also, I'll be seeing this again today with my friend. God help me... but at least I get to see Pfeiffer on the big screen again.
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Post by michaelh on Sept 17, 2017 5:48:16 GMT -8
Didn't she get like around $5 million for 'Batman Returns'? With inflation, perhaps that's not such a large fee today? However, I was thinking the $13 million budget was nonsense, with Lawrence attached. She does not come cheap. ---- Also, I'll be seeing this again today with my friend. God help me... but at least I get to see Pfeiffer on the big screen again. Ha - you're a much braver Pfeiffer fan than I am. Enjoy - I think?
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Post by Pfeiffer-Pfan on Sept 17, 2017 5:56:45 GMT -8
Ha - you're a much braver Pfeiffer fan than I am. Enjoy - I think? I think I'll just switch off once she exits and avert my eyes for the third act. It'll be nice to get a more pleasant affair with her for 'Murder on the Orient Express' (Ironically, seeing as we were pushing for her to go edgy).
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Post by michaelh on Sept 17, 2017 6:01:43 GMT -8
I think I'll just switch off once she exits and avert my eyes for the third act. It'll be nice to get a more pleasant affair with her for 'Murder on the Orient Express' (Ironically, seeing as we were pushing for her to go edgy). Yes - guilty as charged - I have been harping about her going for edgier material for years - LOL.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 9:41:17 GMT -8
Be careful what u wish for guys ha ha
After seeing it twice (n I'll for sure see it again) I gotta say, I like the film when she's in it n admire it after she's gone. Loving a film like this is impossible. But then again, films like this weren't made to be loved, but rather experienced n dissected. What I do love is that this is a film w no one singular theme or message, but rather multiple ones. There is nothing ultimately definable or black & white bout it; and how wonderful that is in a landscape/society that is so eager to spell everything out. Separating yourself from the visual starkness of it takes some effort, but I love that this was made for the active moviegoer rather than the passive one. It takes deciphering to watch this movie. That being said, some folks don't want that when they go to the movies, hence the differences in reactions btw cinemascore n rotten tomatoes. And that's fine. Not every film was made for all audiences...but every film does have its audience. If anything, mother! is a strong testament to the divide btwn critics n the general public n the overall way of seeing films...even within those two groups
But guys, what does offend me, is that none of u r loving her "You give n u give n u give" scene as much as I am!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Not to mention her shouting "What did you do!?" or her eyerolling at Lawrence LOL
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Post by ramses on Sept 17, 2017 9:53:52 GMT -8
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2017 10:02:28 GMT -8
It went from possibly $12 million, to $11 million, to $8 million, to $7.5.....Oh, my. This won't even get to $20 million in the U.S. Maybe the overseas markets can save it for Paramount.
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2017 10:03:58 GMT -8
But guys, what does offend me, is that none of u r loving her "You give n u give n u give" scene as much as I am!!!!!!!!!! LOL Not to mention her shouting "What did you do!?" or her eyerolling at Lawrence LOL Oh, those were her best scenes. For sure. She also somehow managed to outdo her eye-roll in Dark Shadows!
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 11:25:03 GMT -8
But guys, what does offend me, is that none of u r loving her "You give n u give n u give" scene as much as I am!!!!!!!!!! LOL Not to mention her shouting "What did you do!?" or her eyerolling at Lawrence LOL Oh, those were her best scenes. For sure. She also somehow managed to outdo her eye-roll in Dark Shadows! Totally!! Not sure if it tops her Batman Returns enroll tho...still on the fence bout that one personally LOL
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 11:26:09 GMT -8
It went from possibly $12 million, to $11 million, to $8 million, to $7.5.....Oh, my. This won't even get to $20 million in the U.S. Maybe the overseas markets can save it for Paramount. Yea those crazy europeans LOL Jk, I lived w them for a few yrs n they're cool, but yea its so odd what they choose to make into a hit!! LOL
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Post by ramses on Sept 17, 2017 11:40:59 GMT -8
It went from possibly $12 million, to $11 million, to $8 million, to $7.5.....Oh, my. This won't even get to $20 million in the U.S. Maybe the overseas markets can save it for Paramount. Yea those crazy europeans LOL Jk, I lived w them for a few yrs n they're cool, but yea its so odd what they choose to make into a hit!! LOL thanks for the crazy thing. I live in Spain and honestly it seems that this movie will not work at all right here.
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2017 11:47:44 GMT -8
Yea those crazy europeans LOL Jk, I lived w them for a few yrs n they're cool, but yea its so odd what they choose to make into a hit!! LOL thanks for the crazy thing. I live in Spain and honestly it seems that this movie will not work at all right here. No buzz for it in Spain? When are you able to go see it? It seems to be doing really well in Germany, that's not a big surprise, though.
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Post by Pfeiffer-Pfan on Sept 17, 2017 12:11:51 GMT -8
Just back from my second screening in two days (Things I do for my friends and of course, La Pfeiff). Yeah, I can certainly appreciate the film on a technical level and admire the performances, but the main problem for me is that there is just no story here. The characters are simply clothes horses for Aronofsky's general ideas about life, love, the arts, etc.
Unlike yesterday, about five people walked out after the half-way mark, before things even got crazy (Guess it was just too boring - the ultimate sin). I'm glad she made this movie and not every gamble will work out. However, I will say this:
This movie has been divisive with mainstream critic, the public as a whole seems to utterly loathe it and it'll be a box office flop. If Michelle can get an Oscar nomination out of this, than absolutely bravo to her. I don't think it will happen, as I doubt Paramount will push, but she has come out of this better than anyone.
I'll buy it on Blu-Ray for Pfeiffer, but its not something I'll want to revisit (outside of her scenes).
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 17, 2017 13:04:57 GMT -8
This opens in Mexico on Friday and I can´t frigging wait to see it. Cinepolis, the biggest movie theatre chain in Mexico, has marketed it as a horror movie and crowds seem to be excited to see it. Even my co-workers asked me to go with them on the very opening night. They know about my love for Michelle, obviously. However, I´m afraid they´ll want to walk out halfway. I don´t know how I´ll feel, I love movies which opt for confrontation and I guess this one will do.
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2017 13:28:11 GMT -8
This opens in Mexico on Friday and I can´t frigging wait to see it. Cinepolis, the biggest movie theatre chain in Mexico, has marketed it as a horror movie and crowds seem to be excited to see it. Even my co-workers asked me to go with them on the very opening night. They know about my love for Michelle, obviously. However, I´m afraid they´ll want to walk out halfway. I don´t know how I´ll feel, I love movies which opt for confrontation and I guess this one will do. Yeah, if they're expecting straight-up horror, they'll be disappointed. There are certainly horrific images at time, that's for sure. You're going to love her performance in this.
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2017 13:29:53 GMT -8
Just back from my second screening in two days (Things I do for my friends and of course, La Pfeiff). Yeah, I can certainly appreciate the film on a technical level and admire the performances, but the main problem for me is that there is just no story here. The characters are simply clothes horses for Aronofsky's general ideas about life, love, the arts, etc. Unlike yesterday, about five people walked out after the half-way mark, before things even got crazy (Guess it was just too boring - the ultimate sin). I'm glad she made this movie and not every gamble will work out. However, I will say this: This movie has been divisive with mainstream critic, the public as a whole seems to utterly loathe it and it'll be a box office flop. If Michelle can get an Oscar nomination out of this, than absolutely bravo to her. I don't think it will happen, as I doubt Paramount will push, but she has come out of this better than anyone. I'll buy it on Blu-Ray for Pfeiffer, but its not something I'll want to revisit (outside of her scenes). Deadline said there WILL be an awards campaign for it, but that might have been before the box office receipts came in, Lol. The have been struggling financially for a few years, though so I agree they probably won't push much for it.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 13:36:55 GMT -8
Yea, I still don't know how to describe this movie to someone tbh...it took me longer to review this movie than any other LOL
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2017 13:45:04 GMT -8
This opens in Mexico on Friday and I can´t frigging wait to see it. Cinepolis, the biggest movie theatre chain in Mexico, has marketed it as a horror movie and crowds seem to be excited to see it. Even my co-workers asked me to go with them on the very opening night. They know about my love for Michelle, obviously. However, I´m afraid they´ll want to walk out halfway. I don´t know how I´ll feel, I love movies which opt for confrontation and I guess this one will do. Also, is Pfeiffer popular in Mexico? She used to be pretty big in other countries, wasn't she?
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Sept 17, 2017 14:01:14 GMT -8
This opens in Mexico on Friday and I can´t frigging wait to see it. Cinepolis, the biggest movie theatre chain in Mexico, has marketed it as a horror movie and crowds seem to be excited to see it. Even my co-workers asked me to go with them on the very opening night. They know about my love for Michelle, obviously. However, I´m afraid they´ll want to walk out halfway. I don´t know how I´ll feel, I love movies which opt for confrontation and I guess this one will do. Also, is Pfeiffer popular in Mexico? She used to be pretty big in other countries, wasn't she? I think I Could Never Be Your Woman did some good business there mainly due to her popularity. Or was it in Spain?
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Post by jorgepagaza on Sept 17, 2017 14:11:02 GMT -8
Also, is Pfeiffer popular in Mexico? She used to be pretty big in other countries, wasn't she? I think I Could Never Be Your Woman did some good business there mainly due to her popularity. Or was it in Spain? Here and in Spain. Personal Effects was also released in cinemas here.
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