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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 10, 2018 12:07:51 GMT -8
Novel adaptation. I want something original that she can make her own
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Post by michaelh on Jul 10, 2018 13:30:13 GMT -8
I started the book today after watching Sharp Objects with Amy Adams. Loving it so far but I don’t know enough about the Moore character to understand how important or interesting the part is. Seems prominent though. They could have played a bit with Michelle’s role in WLB. There are definite similarities between Claire and the Amy Adams character.
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Post by dasadbd28 on Jul 10, 2018 14:03:01 GMT -8
Maybe Adams and Adam Shankman could have a role in Disenchanted for Michelle.
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Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2018 14:24:47 GMT -8
Maybe Adams and Adam Shankman could have a role in Disenchanted for Michelle. As much as I want to see her work with Adams, I don't want it to be in another Disney popcorn flick.
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Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2018 14:25:10 GMT -8
I started the book today after watching Sharp Objects with Amy Adams. Loving it so far but I don’t know enough about the Moore character to understand how important or interesting the part is. Seems prominent though. They could have played a bit with Michelle’s role in WLB. There are definite similarities between Claire and the Amy Adams character. It's somewhat like Girl on the Train, too, right?
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Post by michaelh on Jul 10, 2018 15:08:39 GMT -8
Yup. She has an alcohol problem but the urban setting is more like Rear Window.
The Moore character is described as “late thirties” (!) with dark hair and a voluptuous body.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 10, 2018 17:41:26 GMT -8
I think moore does have more exposure than Michelle. Do you guys even know what kind of roles you would like to see her play. I gotta admit it would be super hard to find the right lead projects for her.
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Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2018 17:43:44 GMT -8
I think more does have more exposure than Michelle. Do you guys even know what kind of roles you would like to see her play. I gotta admit it would be super hard to find the right lead projects for her. I would have loved to see her in Hereditary. She would have killed a role like that.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 10, 2018 18:13:22 GMT -8
Moore doesn’t have the same kind of fandom and adoration as Michelle.
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Post by imadeyoureadthis on Jul 10, 2018 20:29:45 GMT -8
Oh people love Julianne tho but anyway Mich has Avengers in 2019 plus Maleficent in 2020 so that is cool but really praying she has a good drama in store
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2018 13:48:39 GMT -8
Looks like Nicole Kidman and her Blossom Films have optioned the new novel The Female Persuasion with Lynda Obst who produced One Fine Day with Michelle. Just doing a quick browse at the story it looks like one of the main characters is Faith Frank a 63 year old female. C'mon Nicole throw Michelle a role. Saoirse Ronan is now being rumored to join Kidman in this project. I wish Pfeiffer would do something like this next. No more popcorn flicks, please.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 11, 2018 19:07:19 GMT -8
I think more does have more exposure than Michelle. Do you guys even know what kind of roles you would like to see her play. I gotta admit it would be super hard to find the right lead projects for her. I would have loved to see her in Hereditary. She would have killed a role like that. I agree and I always wanted Pfeiffer to more dark roles after catwoman. Do not get me started on her wasting her box office clout, after what lies beneath should have made do a string of dark thrillers.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 11, 2018 19:35:33 GMT -8
Moore doesn’t have the same kind of fandom and adoration as Michelle. Today they gotta be on the same level playing field. I'm sure Maybe the industry holds Pfeiffer on a higher pedestal. But, to me moore is winning the general audience vote. She's more current, she stays working, she's been apart of great projects. I have always liked her since the hand that rocks the cradle.
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Post by michaelh on Jul 12, 2018 4:30:30 GMT -8
I don't know how you measure a star's popularity these days. No one is a guarantee at the box-office unless they are lucky enough to front a popular franchise and that pretty much rules out most female stars aside from Gal Gadot. Comic book super heroes and action figures drive the marketplace, not the stars who play them. Action driven event films with CGI effects and fantasy realm characters yield huge profits for the studios and those films perform well in international markets, which account for larger shares of the total box-office take. Character driven films that give actors like Moore, Pfeiffer, etc. meaty roles to play need strong critical reviews and film festival buzz to attract a dwindling audience of moviegoers who prefer human scale stories over size and spectacle. More and more of that audience is turning to TV and streaming services instead of going to movie theaters.
Moore has worked consistently over the years without stepping away for extended periods of time. She also is fearless in terms of nudity and playing graphic or potentially embarrassing scenes that Michelle wouldn't even consider. Moore certainly has the Oscar voters in her camp. I think the industry respects Michelle as an actor and as a pop culture goddess who has created a handful of almost mythic characters over the years. I don't see popular songwriters putting Moore in their lyrics or younger stars gushing over her the way they do Michelle, although I am certain they revere Moore as an actor. Pfeiffer definitely has more mystery though. She has kept her distance to remarkable effect and audiences have not forgotten her. That mystery was a large part of what made her performance as Krya so effective.
I can't understand why any producer, director or writer wouldn't kill to have Michelle in their films because she is a pop culture phenomenon and a great actor.
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Post by Pfeiffer-Pfan on Jul 12, 2018 6:39:40 GMT -8
I still think Pfeiffer tops Moore, on comparison of resume alone.
In saying that, I'd love to see them work together.
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Post by jorgepagaza on Jul 12, 2018 9:09:43 GMT -8
Moore doesn’t have the same kind of fandom and adoration as Michelle. Today they gotta be on the same level playing field. I'm sure Maybe the industry holds Pfeiffer on a higher pedestal. But, to me moore is winning the general audience vote. She's more current, she stays working, she's been apart of great projects. I have always liked her since the hand that rocks the cradle. Pfeiffer is the better actress by far. Moore has been consistent and has worked more, but she has given some terrible performances as well. She is good, fearless, and effective, but Michelle is by far a better actress who will be included in movie history books.
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Post by Admin on Jul 12, 2018 12:13:13 GMT -8
I think it's pretty clear that Moore is more revered as an actor within the industry. She is certainly more of an Academy favorite. Not saying that should be the case, though. As for the general public, Pfeiffer is the bigger star, I think.
Anyway, I have a strong feeling Pfeiffer will do a drama next. She has said she doesn't really think of her next move in that way, as in, she doesn't go looking for drama or comedy, etc. she just takes what she finds interesting. I'm not totally sure I buy that. Her agent and management must have a plan for her. She has a lot of momentum, was somehwat in the Oscar conversation last year and hopefully will be again this year and has been in two box office hits recently with two more on the way the next two years. Her profile is high, they need to take advantage and find that one dramatic role in a more accessible project than Kyra and the sky is the limit.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 13, 2018 15:39:24 GMT -8
I think it's pretty clear that Moore is more revered as an actor within the industry. She is certainly more of an Academy favorite. Not saying that should be the case, though. As for the general public, Pfeiffer is the bigger star, I think. Anyway, I have a strong feeling Pfeiffer will do a drama next. She has said she doesn't really think of her next move in that way, as in, she doesn't go looking for drama or comedy, etc. she just takes what she finds interesting. I'm not totally sure I buy that. Her agent and management must have a plan for her. She has a lot of momentum, was somehwat in the Oscar conversation last year and hopefully will be again this year and has been in two box office hits recently with two more on the way the next two years. Her profile is high, they need to take advantage and find that one dramatic role in a more accessible project than Kyra and the sky is the limit. Yes, I agree 100% there must be a plan for her. If not she needs to say bye bye to her agent.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 13, 2018 15:54:03 GMT -8
Today they gotta be on the same level playing field. I'm sure Maybe the industry holds Pfeiffer on a higher pedestal. But, to me moore is winning the general audience vote. She's more current, she stays working, she's been apart of great projects. I have always liked her since the hand that rocks the cradle. Pfeiffer is the better actress by far. Moore has been consistent and has worked more, but she has given some terrible performances as well. She is good, fearless, and effective, but Michelle is by far a better actress who will be included in movie history books. Yes, Pfeiffer is the better actress. I can not lie I am so disappointed in a lot of her film choices. Her resume of the last two decades is pitiful and her breaks have nothing to do with it.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 13, 2018 16:11:39 GMT -8
I still think Pfeiffer tops Moore, on comparison of resume alone. In saying that, I'd love to see them work together. So would I, they would make a great duo.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 13, 2018 16:59:46 GMT -8
I don't know how you measure a star's popularity these days. No one is a guarantee at the box-office unless they are lucky enough to front a popular franchise and that pretty much rules out most female stars aside from Gal Gadot. Comic book super heroes and action figures drive the marketplace, not the stars who play them. Action driven event films with CGI effects and fantasy realm characters yield huge profits for the studios and those films perform well in international markets, which account for larger shares of the total box-office take. Character driven films that give actors like Moore, Pfeiffer, etc. meaty roles to play need strong critical reviews and film festival buzz to attract a dwindling audience of moviegoers who prefer human scale stories over size and spectacle. More and more of that audience is turning to TV and streaming services instead of going to movie theaters. Moore has worked consistently over the years without stepping away for extended periods of time. She also is fearless in terms of nudity and playing graphic or potentially embarrassing scenes that Michelle wouldn't even consider. Moore certainly has the Oscar voters in her camp. I think the industry respects Michelle as an actor and as a pop culture goddess who has created a handful of almost mythic characters over the years. I don't see popular songwriters putting Moore in their lyrics or younger stars gushing over her the way they do Michelle, although I am certain they revere Moore as an actor. Pfeiffer definitely has more mystery though. She has kept her distance to remarkable effect and audiences have not forgotten her. That mystery was a large part of what made her performance as Krya so effective. I can't understand why any producer, director or writer wouldn't kill to have Michelle in their films because she is a pop culture phenomenon and a great actor. LOL I'm not sure I want to debate with you and derail the thread. What I will say though is i agree with you on the enigma of Pfeiffer and that's one of reasons I became a fan. When I speak on popularity box office is the last thing on my mind. I go to the everyday people for my poll. Not industry insiders or moviebuffs like myself. Regular movie goers could care less who made a film or even starred in it, just long as it's good and entertaining. And that's where moore wins imo. I'm sure when Pfeiffer name was blasted all over the radio the other year, people googled it because they didn't know who she was. Moore is more current, has a younger fanbase and has been a part of some great projects that the general public will get around to watching at least once. I wouldn't saw more than half of Pfeiffer resume if I wasn't a fan period.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 13, 2018 20:31:59 GMT -8
I don't know how you measure a star's popularity these days. No one is a guarantee at the box-office unless they are lucky enough to front a popular franchise and that pretty much rules out most female stars aside from Gal Gadot. Comic book super heroes and action figures drive the marketplace, not the stars who play them. Action driven event films with CGI effects and fantasy realm characters yield huge profits for the studios and those films perform well in international markets, which account for larger shares of the total box-office take. Character driven films that give actors like Moore, Pfeiffer, etc. meaty roles to play need strong critical reviews and film festival buzz to attract a dwindling audience of moviegoers who prefer human scale stories over size and spectacle. More and more of that audience is turning to TV and streaming services instead of going to movie theaters. Moore has worked consistently over the years without stepping away for extended periods of time. She also is fearless in terms of nudity and playing graphic or potentially embarrassing scenes that Michelle wouldn't even consider. Moore certainly has the Oscar voters in her camp. I think the industry respects Michelle as an actor and as a pop culture goddess who has created a handful of almost mythic characters over the years. I don't see popular songwriters putting Moore in their lyrics or younger stars gushing over her the way they do Michelle, although I am certain they revere Moore as an actor. Pfeiffer definitely has more mystery though. She has kept her distance to remarkable effect and audiences have not forgotten her. That mystery was a large part of what made her performance as Krya so effective. I can't understand why any producer, director or writer wouldn't kill to have Michelle in their films because she is a pop culture phenomenon and a great actor. LOL I'm not sure I want to debate with you and derail the thread. What I will say though is i agree with you on the enigma of Pfeiffer and that's one of reasons I became a fan. When I speak on popularity box office is the last thing on my mind. I go to the everyday people for my poll. Not industry insiders or moviebuffs like myself. Regular movie goers could care less who made a film or even starred in it, just long as it's good and entertaining. And that's where moore wins imo. I'm sure when Pfeiffer name was blasted all over the radio the other year, people googled it because they didn't know who she was. Moore is more current, has a younger fanbase and has been a part of some great projects that the general public will get around to watching at least once. I wouldn't saw more than half of Pfeiffer resume if I wasn't a fan period. Ok, you gotta help me out here cuz I just don't see that in terms of "fanbase"...Moore's resume seems so inconsistent and out of touch with the tastes of the general public when compared to Michelle's. I know Moore has a small handful: Hand that Rocks the Cradle (sorta), Nine Months, The Lost World, Boogie Nights, Big Lebowski, Hunger Games(s). I'd say Kingsmen, but that movie hasn't been embraced in the way future cult classics usually are But Michelle has: Grease 2 (BOY, does that movie have a fanbase!), Scarface, Ladyhawke, The Witches of Eastwick, Married to the Mob, The Fabulous Baker Boys, Batman Returns, Hairspray, Stardust...I've seen all of those get rounds of applause from audiences whenever she's been on talk shows and someone mentions them. That's not counting her bona fide hits like Tequila Sunrise, Dangerous Liaisons (I keep going back and forth on that one's "hit" status) Wolf, Dangerous Minds, What Lies Beneath, I Am Sam, Murder on the Orient Express
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 14, 2018 5:10:27 GMT -8
LOL I'm not sure I want to debate with you and derail the thread. What I will say though is i agree with you on the enigma of Pfeiffer and that's one of reasons I became a fan. When I speak on popularity box office is the last thing on my mind. I go to the everyday people for my poll. Not industry insiders or moviebuffs like myself. Regular movie goers could care less who made a film or even starred in it, just long as it's good and entertaining. And that's where moore wins imo. I'm sure when Pfeiffer name was blasted all over the radio the other year, people googled it because they didn't know who she was. Moore is more current, has a younger fanbase and has been a part of some great projects that the general public will get around to watching at least once. I wouldn't saw more than half of Pfeiffer resume if I wasn't a fan period. Ok, you gotta help me out here cuz I just don't see that in terms of "fanbase"...Moore's resume seems so inconsistent and out of touch with the tastes of the general public when compared to Michelle's. I know Moore has a small handful: Hand that Rocks the Cradle (sorta), Nine Months, The Lost World, Boogie Nights, Big Lebowski, Hunger Games(s). I'd say Kingsmen, but that movie hasn't been embraced in the way future cult classics usually are But Michelle has: Grease 2 (BOY, does that movie have a fanbase!), Scarface, Ladyhawke, The Witches of Eastwick, Married to the Mob, The Fabulous Baker Boys, Batman Returns, Hairspray, Stardust...I've seen all of those get rounds of applause from audiences whenever she's been on talk shows and someone mentions them. That's not counting her bona fide hits like Tequila Sunrise, Dangerous Liaisons (I keep going back and forth on that one's "hit" status) Wolf, Dangerous Minds, What Lies Beneath, I Am Sam, Murder on the Orient Express Okay most films have a cult following if you really wanna keep it real. Those films get applause because the crowd coordinater tells them to. Some of them movies you named gotta be in her top ten box office hits but hits don't make them good nor entertaining; dangerous minds is a perfect example of that and this is coming from a person of color (the target audience of that film). Lord knows I love Michelle but she's been in some shitty films. Being the best thing about your films has its pros and cons. I believe everyone agrees that baker boys is her best made movie, I'm not sure if any of her films been best picture nods at the oscars. As for moore, her resume is loaded with gems cool/fun/interesting/entertaining films that have repeat viewing value. IMO, the lost world, boogie nights, the big lebowski ,magnolia, the fugitive, the kids are alright, the hours, the hunger games and the kingsman can overshadow Pfeiffer filmography alone. But she also has a single man, game change, non stop, far from heaven, nine months (I forgot all about this one), game change, children of men, freedomland, a map of the world, short cuts, chloe, and maps of the stars. As I look at both their resumes I believe they could have swapped out a few roles. Michelle would have killed the end of the affair; moore would have took the deep end of the ocean up a notch.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 14, 2018 7:31:13 GMT -8
Yes, but “repeat viewing value” to us is different than to the general public. The general public, even the members of that group who embrace cult classics, probably won’t consider Chloe, Maps to the Stars or Non-Stop as worth their time. However I will add Kids are all right and Magnolia to Moore’s list. Also possibly The Hours.
I think the fact that Moore has worked more consistently has made it seem like she’s more recognizable and popular. But what I feel it actually means is that she’s had a chance to make a lot more movies that are shit. I think if we flipped it and looked at who has made shittier movies, Moore would win. I mean, Evolution, The Forgotten, Next, Freedomland, 6 Souls, Carrie, The Seventh Son, the aforementioned Non-stop and Maps to the Stars, Suburbicon and lets not forget Psycho. Also Kingsmen, at least according to initial audience response. Sometimes I wonder how such an intelligent woman can have such huge lapses in judgment when it comes to picking material.
Incidentally, as someone of Hispanic descent, I couldn’t agree with you more about Dangerous Minds. I’m not going to pretend to have had the same social experience as the kids in that movie, but it does reek of self-righteousness, even tho Michelle brings it in terms of conviction. But the book which we read in high school and was amazing and I could see what the intent was before it became polished up. Still, the movie connected with the general public to the point that it became the highest-grossing female-led title of the year. Go figure.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 14, 2018 7:35:05 GMT -8
Also, it IS funny how you can indeed switch up a few of their roles between them eve tho they’re attracted to different characters. Michelle favors women of strength and independence for the most part, while Moore has gone on record as saying she largely prefers weaker, more fragile characters.
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 14, 2018 11:06:01 GMT -8
Hahaha, made it seem more recognizable? She is today. Plus, she has the soap opera following who are like the most loyal fanbase ever. Point taken! Take off chloe and maps to the stars and add the fugitive. It was one of the most entertaining on the run thrillers from the 90s. Michelle also should've done something as close to it too. Non-stop is a popcorn film, those movies does great in TV repeats than any arthouse drama or character dramas. I was in high school when the forgotten came out half my class was passing around the DVD trying to figure out the movie. I enjoyed freedomland 🤫.
I liked dangerous minds when I was younger; my taste has changed as I aged. I did think Michelle did a nice job though. She felt very cool.
I can switch up a lot more of their roles. I believe each actor brings their own specialness to a role. And can change a characters destiny. By the way, I hate Michelle didn't do more romantic dramas. She was perfect for the English patient. If I was her agent she would drive a little into everything.
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 14, 2018 13:01:27 GMT -8
I dunno man, I just don't ever see her being looked at as both a movie icon and a serious actress the way Michelle is by the general public. I need to watch The Fugitive again. I can't even remember her in it!! I remember Sela Ward...lol I was sooooooo upset with Non-Stop!! I wanted it to have the same kind of energy as something like Speed, but it just fell flat for me...
My favorite review of The Forgotten was one which stated that Alfre Woodard's character feels like it was created only so that they could give her character a WTF exit!! Enough said ha ha
I so agree bout her work in Dangerous Minds. That moment when the whole class is essentially waiting to her about Emilio's death, the look and body language as she sits at her desk is heartbreaking!! Pure Michelle!!
Oh, I've got an entire wish list of roles she would have been perfect for, some of which she purposely she let pass her by. She's never been strategic about her career and its been both a blessing and a curse IMO
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Post by imadeyoureadthis on Jul 14, 2018 14:09:27 GMT -8
Most my friends think of Julianne as a better actress plus thats what the general public thinks it seems like but thats mostly because Mich is seen as just being a beauty by lots of people which is dumb
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Post by babyfacedassassin24 on Jul 14, 2018 14:46:12 GMT -8
There’s also the question of iconic characters as well as iconic films. Catwoman and Elvira (and some others) have everything from fan art to Halloween costumes and in the latter’s case, celebrities paying tribute on the red carpet and in photo shoots.
No ones dressing up as Maude Lebowski for Halloween 😂
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Post by selinadiamond on Jul 14, 2018 20:15:38 GMT -8
I dunno man, I just don't ever see her being looked at as both a movie icon and a serious actress the way Michelle is by the general public. I need to watch The Fugitive again. I can't even remember her in it!! I remember Sela Ward...lol I was sooooooo upset with Non-Stop!! I wanted it to have the same kind of energy as something like Speed, but it just fell flat for me... My favorite review of The Forgotten was one which stated that Alfre Woodard's character feels like it was created only so that they could give her character a WTF exit!! Enough said ha ha I so agree bout her work in Dangerous Minds. That moment when the whole class is essentially waiting to her about Emilio's death, the look and body language as she sits at her desk is heartbreaking!! Pure Michelle!! Oh, I've got an entire wish list of roles she would have been perfect for, some of which she purposely she let pass her by. She's never been strategic about her career and its been both a blessing and a curse IMO I would like to see your list.
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